He who places his hope on thee, O Virgin all-glorious, will prosper in all he does.

Inscription on Byzantine coin during reign of Romanus III



Thursday, September 29, 2011

Clerical Activism















The Greek priest is trying to stop the rioter from attacking the police.


Thanks to Fr. Maximos Weimar

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

reactionary. but then again, you worship bloody nicholas...
Corneliu Ilea

Visibilium said...

You sound like a Ceausescu toady.

Dale said...

I dunno. Tzar Nick during the Great War happily put tens of thousands of Volga Germans (Many of them Orthodox; but most Mennonites) into box cars and transported them to the North of Russia to die of exposure and hunger. Does rather sound like murder.

Visibilium said...

You may want to check your time periods. Czar Nicholas didn't have time to box up any Germans owing to the events of 1905. Volga Germans were subject to conscription during WW1 and were sent to Turkey to mount frontal assaults. That duty certainly sucked. After the War, Germans traveled by boxcar to Minsk for emigration to Poland and Red Cross camps, and conditions were pretty cold. During the Communist period, Germans were frequently sent by boxcar to Siberia, although the apogee was arguably reached by Stalin's 400,000 person exile.

Dale said...

The tzar was still the ruler from 1914 until his overthrow a few years later; he was personally responsible for leading Russia into the war. Yes, many Volga German men did serve the war effort, whilst their wives and children were murdered in their thousands. This is indeed historical reality; it was repeated in the next great war as well. The time line is as follows:

08.01.1914
Onset of World War I. The German Reich is designated as enemy of the Tsarist Empire. Still, about 300,000 Germans serve in the Russian army. Despite being Russian citizens, their land holdings are seized. German place names are replaced with Russian ones.

02.02.1915
Laws of liquidation: those Germans living within 150 kilometers of the border are to be resettled to Siberia. More than 50,000 Volhynia-Germans are deported to Siberia.

(http://library.ndsu.edu/grhc/history_culture/history/landsmannschaft.html)

And finally: December 13, 1916 Volga Germans ordered to be banished. This order was never carried out because of internal troubles in Russia.

(http://www.frank-kolb-russia.org/history/chronology.shtml)

Tzar Nick was ruler until 1917.

Dale said...

You seem to be confused about your time line; the "Great War" was from 1914 to 1918; not 1905.

Visibilium said...

Despite your red herrings, you never substantiated your original assertion that Czar Nicholas boxed up Volga Germans sent them North.

Dale said...

You must have missed this:

02.02.1915
Laws of liquidation: those Germans living within 150 kilometers of the border are to be resettled to Siberia. More than 50,000 Volhynia-Germans are deported to Siberia.

Almost all of them died of hunger and exposure. Thousands upon thousands died after their farms had been expropriated when the men were on the front lines. If you wish to believe that they were all happy in Poland; that is your right to historical amnesia.

Also, as a child in Europe, I knew several Volga Germans whose families had been liqudated in Tzarest times. Simply calling something a "red herring" does not make it so.

I also do realise that you Russians, or their lackey converts, have never been able to accept your own historical crimes.

Since you also had never heard of the massacres of 1182 in Constantinople, one can only wonder at your so-called historical knowledge.

Dale said...

To save you time in pointing out typos, please be aware that liqudation (sic) is a typo.

Visibilium said...

If you knew that the word was spelled incorrectly, why did you permit its publication?

Volhynia Germans weren't the same as Volga Germans. Further, your quoting laws that weren't implemented in the Volga--some Volhynia Germans were boxed up and resettled in the Volga rather than Siberia--isn't the same as the boxing up of Volga Gernmans for transport to Siberia. Your asserting that the Czar effected the latter still flaps around without substantiation.

Maybe you're trying to make a larger point that the Czar was a tyrannical shit. So what?

Dale said...

He is a canonized "tyrannical shit." As far as using "(sic)" for simple typos, is a pathetic attempt to (mis)direct from the real issues. I have noticed this tendency amongst many of your co-religionists: Especially, when their lack of historical knowledge is pointed out.

One suspects that we should have been using the term Russian Volksdeutcher, but very few Americans know that term (of course few of them know what a Volga German is either). There are several, refereed, books on this issue...you may consider reading up on the subject.

Next shall we discuse the 1903 Jewish pogroms across Russia and the Tzar's attitudes to those?

Dale said...

But on a more positive note, and one that relates to the actual photo. Thank God there are Greek monks that will put themselves in real danger to try and stop violence. Too bad there were no such monks in 1182; at least none of whom we know anything about!

Visibilium said...

St. Nicholas wasn't glorified for the quality of his rule. The entire Royal Family was glorified for Passionbearing. I have a copy of the Royal Family's final Panakhida.

Volhyria refers to a specific location between the Bug and Pripyat.

Killing Jews has always been bad for business. The Mohammadean Sultan was surprised at their short-sightedness when Ferdinand and Isabella expelled los judios from Spain.

Dale said...

I dunno, for me, mass murder, is really rather hard to get around. But, that is perhaps only me who thinks that way, obviously not the Russian church.